done4good " the part of the two sentences lost in the ellipsis is key"
The Rebel, sorry about that, and I apologise if I inadvertently in my post took your comment out of context.
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Why facts fail to reach the faithful, (even the intelligent ones)
by done4good ini posted this on another thread, and decided it deserves its own...thoughts?.
an unfortunate artifact of evolution is that belief can, and often does trump fact.
survival is at the core of what belief is about.
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Why facts fail to reach the faithful, (even the intelligent ones)
by done4good ini posted this on another thread, and decided it deserves its own...thoughts?.
an unfortunate artifact of evolution is that belief can, and often does trump fact.
survival is at the core of what belief is about.
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Done4good " humuns have developed a concience and the ability to reason.....,our most primal instinct is to survive first"
The Rebel:- I believe humuns like animals don't rationalise, they instinctively feel. Both animals and humuns " ethical and moral concience " even from the beginning of creation has been to sacrifice life for a sibling.
As for facts, I believe they are so far beyound the grasp of the humun mind, and we don't learn them from our parents nor our education system, anymore than we learn them in the nine months we spend in our mothers stomach. We leave our mothers belly and we learn to think and we learn to change our mind....
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Being bought up in a controlled environment....
by The Rebel ini am amazed and shocked by this, founded in 2006 "seeking arrangements" dating site boasts 5 million members worldwide.
( a "sugar baby" is where rich men date younger girls).
top 3 university " sugar baby" students in england.. 1. kent - 724.
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I am amazed and shocked by this, founded in 2006 "seeking arrangements" dating site boasts 5 million members worldwide. ( A "sugar baby" is where rich men date younger girls)
TOP 3 UNIVERSITY " SUGAR BABY" students in England.
1. Kent - 724
2. Cambridge - 704
3. Nottingham- 671
As an ex-witness I value an education, but if I had a daughter :-
A) I wouldn't want her paying for her education this way.
B) As a man I could never treat a woman like that.
C) I don't want to judge the " sugar babies" but selling yourself for an education to me is the same as selling yourself for a designer handbag, and I believe will effect true love in the future.
Anyway neither the man nor the sugar baby are doing anything wrong or illegal, so who am I to judge the morals of others? But I have awakened from my Watchtower hell to discover the society i now live in is a less controlled environment than I grew up in.
My question therefore is, HOW have YOU having left the organisation, dealt with alternative relationship models that we were told and believed were immoral?
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how do most of you now feel about the military?
by sowhatnow inwas not sure where to post this, but i was curious, how do some of you now feel about the military?
would any of you let your children enlist, or would you yourselves join any military field?
how do you feel about the idea of women in the military?
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A couple of decades ago, Sweden had a strong military. Then a strange thing happened and in 2000, the Swedish Parliment made a decision to cut the budget by half. And in 2004 25% of the military personal were let go.
Now I can only assume the Swedish polititians either:-
A) Do not imagine there is a need to defend the country.
B) They realise even if they had a large military, they couldn't defend themselfs against Russia's military.
Q) What are the advantages of Swedish military cutbacks?
A) The money has been spent on the health of the population, and giving the aged,sick and disabled a decent quality of life.
For many Swedish citizens there's no question this is a good thing, yet many citizens would prefer a strong military. My opinion it would be nice if we lived in the words of John Lennon....." and the world will live as one"
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Is a circle round?
by slimboyfat in"christ, not this again!
there's a serious point to be made here however.
somebody published a study in the journal of personality and social psychology showing that disagreements about what constitutes a circle depend on your political perspective.
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Slimboyfat (Q) is a circle round?
The Rebel (A) Maybe with a little " Circular" reasoning.
Slimboyfat " Quite literally , whether something is a circle or not depends on how you look at it!
The Rebel (A) In that case I am sure for many a circle is an ellipse.
Slimboyfat " And in a more radical sence, our view the "Whole " world depends on our perspective"
The Rebel (A) You may be right, or there may be some " Holes" in your thinking!
Seriously having left the W.T I have realised how much my perspective was wrong, and I am pleased my worldview my goals and attitudes to people have now changed immensely since leaving.
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Measuring my progress by past threads....
by The Rebel inmy conclusion is, i hope this site is :-.
a) first about solving practical problems of people leaving the w.t,.
b) secondly about if god exists or not.. so what have i learnt since reading my first posts from 6 months ago?.
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Jan" So keep calm and thinking"
The Rebel, As a witness truth was written in books, whatever the G.B wrote was holy, but the truth is not in books, TO KNOW BOOKS SHOULD MEAN " KNOWING" AUTHORS, and this is hidden in the W.T and the science world of books. Anyway now, for me novels are better than W.T books, adventure books, better than science, but I still prefer the funny books to both.
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Measuring my progress by past threads....
by The Rebel inmy conclusion is, i hope this site is :-.
a) first about solving practical problems of people leaving the w.t,.
b) secondly about if god exists or not.. so what have i learnt since reading my first posts from 6 months ago?.
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My conclusion is, I hope this site is :-
A) FIRST about solving PRACTICAL problems of people leaving the W.T,
b) secondly about if God exists or Not.
So what have I learnt since reading my first posts from 6 months ago?
Well I am embarresed and amazed how I have progressed.( embarresed my spelling is still shit and amazed if my threads are still read) But more importantly I have learnt, it doesn't matter what we believe, what is important is that we can believe what we believe and respectfully be challenged. And my only rule is my words and thoughts are not by a dictator that says you must wear my "SWASTIKA"
So whilst Cofty, D.J.S, Slimboyfat, and others, MAY LEAVE ME MORE "CONFUSED" THAN EVER, with their thinking, I do appreciate, the effort they have made to a stranger in hyperspace. And the truth is I couldn't write to any of my " former" friends in the congregation with such honesty as I can on the internet. ( that would have been crossing THE NAZI LINE.)
So my final point is that we can't all express our thoughts, anymore than I the writer can even understood what I wrote, nor can I presume to understand that people can understand what I have written?
So how can truth and facts express itself in letters?
At least we are not FORCED to listen ,and put our HANDS up in public and READ, as we were in W.T land, ( particularly when we new it was bullshit)
So my question, how have you changed since your first post, on this site?
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In appreciation of Compound and Complex
by The Rebel ini have really enjoyed reading some of " compound and complex " old posts, i love his writing style, particularly his thread about appreciating " the natural beauty of your neighbourhood".
i won't embaress myself by attempting to write in such a beautiful style as "compound and complex" , and i won't embaress c & c by copying and pasting his words, but i will submit a little burt bacharach:-.
have you ever dreamed of a place.
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I have really enjoyed reading some of " compound and complex " old posts, I love his writing style, particularly his thread about appreciating " The natural beauty of your neighbourhood".
I won't embaress myself by attempting to write in such a beautiful style as "Compound and Complex" , and I won't embaress C & C by copying and pasting his words, but I will submit a little Burt Bacharach:-
Have you ever dreamed of a place
Far away from it all,
Where the winter winds will never blow,
And living there things have room to grow.
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So what's the point of this O.P ? Well my point is, i love this forum, because I have learnt a lot, but it would be an even better forum if " Compound and Complex" honours it with more of his wonderful writings on " life" and the " natural beauty of his neighbourhood"
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guest of honour
by zeb inmy wife was invited by her past employer to a dinner as guest of honour.
guess..?
the dinner coincided with a meeting..
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Hmmmm, this is challenging, being a guest of honour at a dinner meeting or attending a J.W meeting?
Well I guess it depends on the menu, was it a duck, a sainsburys chicken, or a delicious Owl in bread and orange sauce?
Seriously the spiritual food being served from Jehovers table at meetings or, a chicken that is inhumanly killed? Its wonderful having personal choice isn't it, and thank God I prefer Owl to Duck, but I am seriously working on being a vegetarian.
The challenges of leaving a J.W banquet, and the moral conscience of that decision never ends, but I hope your wife chooces to be a guest of honour with her former employees. That is if they are not her former non paying employees in the W,T world.
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What happened to my Keith...
by The Rebel inhaving a free day today, i thought i would listen to some of my favourite music on you-tube.
it has just occurred to me why i wasn't enjoying the music i am listening to as much as i hoped.
i am listening to concerts of the band with origional members of the group having been replaced.. that's why as i post i am putting on " the who", but the origional stuff with " keith moon's" brilliant and explosive drumming.
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Diogensister " Love Keith Moon..that vid where he falls over his drums, he is SO TANKED but he still plays like a boss!!!
The Rebel:- What happened next? Keith then collapsed on the floor was carried off stage and Townsend asked the audience if there was a drummer in the audience. A guy from the audience put his hand up, and maybe he was no Keith Moon, but what a magical night that was for him.
Anyway as for my question what rock band having become huge has lost an origional member, and then has the same ENERGY? I honestly can't think of one,
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